Spunky the Raichu

Just ban the hive mind, this is getting creepy.

[14/11/2011 17:57:12]

Butterfree
Admin
Website: The Cave of Dragonflies

I wonder how it is that Judgement believes it has accomplished justice by making me type out something of length greater than X in response to them. Is this some new definition of justice that I haven't heard of?



Desolater, the reason you eventually came to be banned on sight is that you kept coming back and never seemed to have learned. You were advised repeatedly that your posts were nearly unreadable (not just making some grammar errors or misspellings, which is perfectly okay, but actually requiring people to squint and put considerable work into deciphering what you're saying) and yet you never seemed to have made an effort to be more understandable. You repeatedly made spammy, flamebaity and generally inflammatory posts, and in general we eventually concluded that by all appearances you seemed to be a troll or otherwise just not about to improve. And I have to say that the fact you apparently coincidentally pop up just now as some guy is trying to prove I'm evil and ban people unfairly isn't really helping disprove that troll theory. It's been long enough that I probably could reverse the ban for now and see how it goes, but I'm rather reluctant to because like I said, I still kind of suspect you're a troll.



I also note that several people were infracted and/or banned for treating you and other people they didn't like like dirt, and that this was a couple of years ago when the general atmosphere of the place was kind of hellish thanks to a group of members who thought being a dick to people made them cool. Since then, these people variously left, were banned, or grew up, and I haven't been aware of that kind of thing since.



Incidentally, as with so many of the things Judgement loves to be dragging out, the name "Kool Kids Krewe" is from around that time a couple of years ago and was a joke even then. Get with the times.

[14/11/2011 17:39:14]

desolater

Whats a havemind lol anyways i think butterfree is just too busy with. This n that on her site n maybe real life to get what seems like whats goin on in her forum shes tryin too looks at all points of view which is what ur supposed to do when ur a leader r a host of something but some mods such as opligater n surskitty n shiva weree rude to me gujust cuz i made grammer errors n mispelled

[14/11/2011 16:12:15]

Yamiidenryuu

So you're some sort of creepy hivemind, right? You and Justice and who else?

[14/11/2011 15:38:43]

Judgement

"Judgement" is not going to address Dragonfree directly - We have accomplished our justice and have passed our judgement. Judgement will speak to average members, however



desolater, why join back at all? They made it clear they don't want you there - the mods only want people who are exactly like them and if you were any different, they will find reasons to ban you. The mods are largely uptight, bitter, and rude because they pass power to people who are just like them.



You won't find a lot of friends here too, many people only try to act as if they came straight out of a college's English book in order to please the mods, let alone, suck up to the the mods and try to behave just like the mods do, hoping they would eventually get mod powers themselves. These people are identified in TCoD as the "Kewl Kids Krew" by many, but for a fact they aren't "Kewl" at all, they are nothing but just a bunch of anti-social kids trying to get warm-feelings from the Internet all day



I'm sure you're better than this, desolater, leave this place and enjoy life the way you can

[14/11/2011 13:10:10]

Judgement

desolater: Great timing



Yamiidenryuu: Our nicknames represent much more than identity

[14/11/2011 12:55:31]

desolater

Hey butterfree ok look i may be dumb for applying with the name i was banned in ur forum for or a name that's similar but it's like after a year later i get banned for ban evasion. Why isnt desolater giving the chance to come back. I mean i wasint that bad misspelled here and there maybe said a few mean things but im outspoken thought i can be liked n known for that but the mods keep kicking me well my well known pro im not a troll im not

[14/11/2011 09:13:40]

Yamiidenryuu

… Did that guy's name just change from "Justice" to "Judgment"? Dude, make up your mind.

[14/11/2011 04:29:29]

Kevin

Oh, yeah. I forgot. Never mind.

[13/11/2011 23:58:42]

Butterfree
Admin
Website: The Cave of Dragonflies

Because this is integer division, you could get zero if the current HP were less than four (since the remainder is discarded). You can't divide by zero, so the game has to do a check for that.

[13/11/2011 23:56:03]

Kevin

"Divide the Pokémon's current HP by four. If the result is greater than zero, divide F by this number and make that the new F."



Wouldn't it always be greater than zero? You're dividing, so the only way to get something not greater than zero is to start with zero or a negative number, neither of which will ever be the current HP.

[13/11/2011 22:31:04]

Butterfree
Admin
Website: The Cave of Dragonflies

Well, that was anticlimactic.

[13/11/2011 21:07:04]

AbsentNumeral

I just read through this page and am now simultaneously laughing and facepalming.

[13/11/2011 21:03:15]

Judgement

LOL MADE YOU TEXTWALL. didn't read, my job here is done

[13/11/2011 20:03:49]

Butterfree
Admin
Website: The Cave of Dragonflies

You're really desperate to be uncovering some kind of a grand conspiracy.



The fact is that most people are good people and most things people do are done in good faith. People love to attribute things other people do that they don't like to those people's fundamentally bad nature; it's a known psychological principle called the fundamental attribution error. But in reality, they usually believe they're doing the right thing, just as much as you believe you're doing the right thing.



My mods are not bad people. Can they make poor decisions, act rashly, take out a bad mood on innocent members? Of course. That happens to everyone. People have bad days. People misunderstand things. People just plain make poor judgements sometimes. But they are not systematically evil or oppressive. I've made poor judgements, too. Yeah, I let Furret in after he'd abused far too many chances. Why? Because I liked him, I knew he could be a perfectly nice member when he put his mind to it, and I really wanted to believe he was sincere when he said this time he wasn't going to end up making trouble. Naïve? Sure. Poor judgement. Yeah, probably. Corrupt? Really?



I don't know where you're getting the idea that the members in general feel the mods in general are abusive. I received complaints about one mod a while ago (and subsequently tried to keep an eye on them), and one member left the other day because she thought a mod's post in a debate was rude towards her (which it wasn't to any particular degree; somewhat condescending and irritating in tone, perhaps, but not inflammatory and clearly less so than many other debating posts), but that's it. And seeing as you've given ample evidence for the fact you haven't even been a member of the forums in years, I can't help feeling generally skeptical that you actually have any idea what is going on at the forums right now; I suspect you're just basing this on some nebulous feeling that if you haven't been on a forum in some time, everything must still be the same as when you left. Things change. People change, especially teenagers. And people generally just aren't evil and out to get you.



Incidentally, the name Helen has no significance to me and has just been making you sound silly; if this is yet another thing that has something to do with something that happened in 2005, I've forgotten and whatever it is you're trying to do with it isn't working. And as far as I can remember, Nidokingu left on his own. My memory may be fuzzy on it because he left at least twice; the first time he definitely just deleted his account and then whined about getting re-admined when he came back. Maybe I did de-admin him when we broke up, what with having only admined him in the first place because he insisted he had some God-given right to be an admin because he was my boyfriend. I don't remember, I don't really want to remember because that was a pretty screwed-up time in my life, and it doesn't matter because like I said, there is no reason members should care if I de-admin somebody - even less reason than to care whether I admin somebody.



Also, I don't have a "modding system". Yet again, you keep acting like I have some special, unusual "system" in place for modding people, when I just don't. Some years ago we modded upstanding regulars as a kind of prize for being upstanding regulars even though we didn't really need mods, but again, that was years ago and since then about three people have been modded.



As for the limiting freedom of speech thing: First of all, you can't see infractions, so you have no basis for claiming X got an infraction but Y didn't. And second of all, we make a distinction between attacking a person and attacking an argument, which may be what's confusing you - "That statement is stupid" is not equal to "You're stupid". If you have actual specific examples where a mod clearly flames a member, point it out; don't just stand there going "this happens all the time, really!" with nothing to back it up. Maybe something really did slip under the radar and I'd be glad to hear about it.

[13/11/2011 19:22:43]

Kevin

While this guestbook has nothing to do with music, I'm going to bring this up, simply as the ridiculousness of Justice and this drama is getting boring.



I play Euphonium, sort of. Actually, I have to play the Marching Euphonium for concert band, because my high school's band program is terrible - our only Concert Euphonium is so terrible it can't even be played.



However, auditions for a district's Honor Band (basically, the best players from around the surrounding counties play in an ensemble for a few days), and, because it is more professional than our high school band, I wouldn't be able to use the Marching Euphonium.



Auditions are pretty hard in general, and they make sure they can't see you and you don't say anything. Therefor, I have no way of explaining to them my problem (even if I could, they want the people with the best tone, which I can't do on the instrument because of its issues). So, basically, I'm really scared I wouldn't make it on Euphonium.



There's a couple other options, though.



I could go on Trombone, which I used to play, but I haven't really played it for a few years, and it may be difficult to readjust from valves back to a slide.



Then, there's the option of going on Tuba or Trumpet. Both are valved instruments, like the Euphonium, so the transition would be easier, but they're music is different. Trumpet is on Treble Clef, which I can't read, and Tuba's music is written below the staff, which, because Euphonium's don't go that low, I'm not very comfortable with.



I could always simply rewrite any music I get, slowly, with a composition program I have, so that's not too big of a problem, but I'm risking that they don't give out new music at District Band itself; after auditions, if you made it, you get the music you'll be playing for the actual program, but, sometimes, after you get there, they give you more. I'm worried that, as slow as it is to rewrite music like that, that I wouldn't have enough time to that.



One last thing - they do allow you to audition on two instruments, but no more.



Any input on what I should do is appreciated.

[13/11/2011 19:17:25]

Justice

I've misread "Reversed" as "Received", my bad.



You wanted an example of how your forums limit freedom of speech; go through any old thread that presents argument between mods and banned members, typically you will see the 19-year-old nerdier mod (If not a mod - yet) making statements such as "Your posts show clear lack of intelligence" and when the 13-year-old retaliates with something as simple as "ur stupid", the 13-year-old gets an infraction of 30 for flamming while the mod goes empty handed - When both have said the same thing, just put down differently. This is one mere example out of many, again, don't pretend as if you're forum drama is not linked to your Modding system and as if its the trend in other forums as well

[13/11/2011 18:21:47]

Spunky the Raichu

"Again - You received an infraction that even you felt was unfair, and while you barely post in the forums. Think of what most active forum members must be going through. Or rather; listen. These complaints are nothing new."



What are you even talking about?

[13/11/2011 17:01:44]

Justice

We can easily go the the About Me and copypaste your name but this would kill the whole idea of why we are misspelling it. Try thinking back ;-)



Again - You received an infraction that even you felt was unfair, and while you barely post in the forums. Think of what most active forum members must be going through. Or rather; listen. These complaints are nothing new.



It's not you single-handedly, as we have said, it's your modding system. In other words, the corrupt-by-nature, abusive people you choose to approve the mod power to. You failed in listening to your members' voices as, in your view, they may just want popular members to become mods, but I'd say the mods are choosing the popular members amongst each other, as well.



We all remember what happened when it comes to Nidokingu's case. He was De-adminstrated and in result he left the forums.



Forums having drama the way this one did is not common for sure. If you think this is how forums are generally run, then something has gone horribly wrong.

[13/11/2011 05:57:58]

Amaterasu
Website: Age of War

Hey, I have an idea, let's stop being idiots and fighting over a guestbook. If either of you have something to say to each other's faces, find the other in real life. Nobody really wants to read walls of text, we just wanna have fun and chat here.

[13/11/2011 04:14:52]